Tag: the discourse

clatterbane:

woahthisguy:

aphony-cree:

woahthisguy:

thesaviorofmisbehavior:

themintycupcake:

elisamaza:

rabdoidal:

i just saw someone completely seriously, without a hint of irony, refer to it as “Q-slur Eye” and my intestines started melting like so many Salvador Dalí clocks

I’ve seen “don’t call the show Qu**r Eye if you’re a cishet and can’t reclaim the q-slur” so nothing surprises me anymore.

“Don’t normalize this word that people fought really hard to normalize! Let it keep its oppressive power because I don’t understand queer history”

God I literally fucking hate this rhetoric. It’s exclusionary, gatekeepy, TERFy, and supports a totally revisionist queer history that erases so many marginalized people, especially people who are marginalized on multiple axes.

“LET IT KEEP ITS OPPRESSIVE POWER BECAUSE I DON’T UNDERSTAND QUEER HISTORY”

Wow that really sums it up.

I lived through the “take back the word queer” movement, so let me further sum it up

The entire point was to strip the word of the power to hurt us. We embraced it by refusing to be offended by it. We were saying “you can’t hurt us with that word, we now feel empowered when we hear it.” 

During this time I saw an interview with a gay man who’d been arrested while wearing a “We’re Here, We’re Queer, Get Used To It” t-shirt. He was put into a holding cell with other detainees who tried to verbally abuse him. They started out by calling him queer but after seeing his t-shirt, and him not reacting to that word, they started stumbling over their words trying to find a name to call him. They finally settled on repeatedly calling him a “sissy” which, by the late 90s, had become a very out-dated slur toward queer men and was a laughable effort by these hyper-masculine and sexist bullies

When they tried to call him a queer it had no power because embracing the word, no matter who said it, had taken away that power

tl;dr We took back the word Queer with the intent of it no longer having the power to hurt us, but people now calling it the Q-slur are giving power back to the people who hate us  

^^^^^^^^^^

excalibelle:

kyraneko:

jenroses:

brinconvenient:

dani-kin:

quarterinthequeerjar:

fairytale-villain:

A good thread on whether “queer” is a slur and if it should be used or not.

“If I am unashamed of being queer, you do not get to give that word BACK to the fuckwits who made it a slur.”

you do not get to give that word BACK to the fuckwits who made it a slur

EVERYBODY WHO CAME OUT BEFORE YOU HAS TAKEN THE ROCKS AND BOTTLES AND MADE THEM INTO SHIELDS AND WINDCHIMES

Holy motherfucking shit. Don’t fucking come at me about Queer is a slur. I FUCKING KNOW IT IS. It was hurled at me like a fucking spear all through my youth. I know it’s a god damn slur. And it’s mine. You don’t get to take it away from me because you can’t take also away the scars it gave me while I was standing in front of my younger queer siblings in this community. 

always, always reblog this one.

If my enemy swings a sword at me and I take that sword away from them, it’s my sword now. And the person telling me I can’t use it because it belongs to my enemy and I have to give it back to them sounds quite a bit like an enemy themselves.

^^ god that analogy

ace discourse reminds me so much of that one snl sketch: a found poem

autismserenity:

autismserenity:

literally, nothing exclusionists do, and nothing you say to an exclusionist, will ever matter. nothing will ever get a response beyond “nuh uh!”

they’ll phrase it different ways every time: “aces are cishet. cishets are cishet. they just wanna be oppressed so bad. they’re literally not oppressed in any way. they don’t experience homophobia or transphobia. they benefit from homophobia and transphobia. they are lying. that never happened. 

“you can’t use their tumblr posts as proof. you can’t use studies about them as proof. you can’t use every real-life org including them as proof. you can’t use our community’s own oral history as proof. you can’t use our community’s own written historical documents as proof. 

“lmao i’m not a terf, i’m literally an nb lesbian. lmao i’m not quoting terf rhetoric, i’m literally an nb lesbian. lmao i’m not consistently attacking trans women inclusionists, i’m literally an nb lesbian. lmao our movement isn’t full of terfs, we literally called out a terf once. lmao how dare you show me a blocklist of hundreds of terf exclusionists to call out, I’m literally an nb lesbian.

“anyway the community literally started to combat homophobia and transphobia. anyway it’s always been lgbtpn. anyway it’s always been lgbt. anyway cishets aren’t lgbt.” 

some of the things that canonically Don’t Even Matter and are clearly Fake News: 

aces as a group experience 30% more harassment, 221% more sexual assault, 100% more intimate partner violence, and 277% more stalking than straight people.

aces are as likely to be suicidal as gay or bi people, and twice as likely as straight people

aces do, in fact, get sent to conversion therapy specifically for being ace. have to leave schools and jobs specifically for being ace. lose housing because they are ace. get rejected by their families for being ace. get sexually assaulted specifically for being ace, not for “being women” or “declining sex.” 

aces, as a group, consistently experience ALL types of sexual assault and abuse at higher rates than their gay and lesbian peers. only bisexuals consistently experience these things at a higher rate as a group, than aces.

trans people who are also asexual are 25% more likely to have attempted suicide than hetero trans people. (Gay, lesbian, OR bi trans people: 10% more likely than het trans people. LESS likely than ace trans people.) 

Ace trans people are also 50% more likely than het, gay, lesbian, OR bi trans people to have been homeless. And about 33% more likely to have been evicted for being trans. 

(Same study: A higher percentage of trans aces are harassed at work than of trans LGBQ people. A much higher percentage of trans aces have had to quit school because of harassment, than of trans LGBQ people. A higher percentage of trans aces have experienced family rejection, than of trans LGBQ people. A higher percentage of trans aces lack health insurance, than of trans LGBQ people.) 

“The first study that gave empirical data about asexuals was published in 1983 by Paula Nurius, concerning the relationship between sexual orientation and mental health.… Results showed that asexuals were more likely to have low self-esteem and more likely to be depressed than members of other sexual orientations”. 

In 2015, Russia took away the rights of asexual, binary trans people, and many groups of nonbinary trans people, to have driver’s licenses. Thanks to the fact that every diagnostic manual for mental illness in the world still considers “lack of sexual desire” to be a mental illness.

And an ace-inclusive Russian LGBTI+ youth site, the only one in that country, was shut down a few years ago thanks to a 2013 law against “propaganda causing minors to form non-traditional sexual predispositions.”

aces were being studied, as well as being trashed as not-actually-oppressed by the mainstream gay community, almost 50 years ago.

ace invisibility and its effects were already being written about in academia almost 20 years ago.

lesbian and gay publications were casually referencing asexuals almost 50 years ago

mainstream publications were casually referencing asexuals as part of the LGBT+ community 40+ years ago

lots of gen x bisexuals considered aces part of the bi community, before there was a strong separate ace community, because they experienced equal attraction across genders (even though it was an equal lack of attraction in their case) and thousands of aces on Tumblr have shared their present-day experiences (in the notes on this link) with initially thinking they must be bi for the same reason

exclusionists have consistently singled out trans converts to Judaism for personal harassment, and going so far as to doxx one and try to get the rabbi to not let them and their family convert

exclusionists consistently both suicide-bait and defend suicide-baiting

exclusionists have faked screenshots to claim that a (non-ace, non-aro, inclusionist) transfem sexual abuse survivor was boasting publicly about sexually abusing children

ace exclusionists have been lying about ace inclusionists and enabling real predators in the process since at least fall 2016 tbh

“Homophobia and transphobia has body counts, aphobia has screenshots!!1!!”

liliac-gold:

Yeah,

Screenshots of statistical studies about how

aces are as likely to be suicidal as gay or bi people, and twice as likely as straight people because of their asexuality.
Screenshots of statistical studies showing that  A-spec trans people face significantly higher levels of homelessness, and eviction than any other demographic of trans people.
Screenshots of how A-spec people experience some of the highest statistics for corrective rape of any marginalized community .
Screenshots of aphobes bullying, harassing, sending rape and death threats to ace people,and wishing horrible things to happen to ace people because they are ace 
Screenshots of posts about how In 2015 Russia took away the rights of asexual, binary trans people, and many groups of nonbinary trans people, to have driver’s licenses.
Screenshots of how many religions dont support asexuaity
Screenshots of people opening up about how they were sent for conversion therapy,abused and harassed both by other people and their families for being asexual  and being hated after coming out as asexual
Screenshots of studies and articles about ace people being raped for being ace
Screenshots of aphobes Repeatedly misgendering and mislabeling people  , calling asexual people nazis  ,telling suicidal ace people to stop whining  , saying that asexuality shouldnt be taught in schools  .
Screenshots of asexual people receiving rape threats to “fix”  them and actually being raped to be fixed
Screenshots of asexuality  being  pathologized and not being considered real by straight people.

Its so easy to brush away aphobia as “Cringey aces being dramatic on the internet on no reason lololol “ when you see “true” oppression as “people being killed for their identity” and not the numerous ways society makes marginalized community feel that they are broken,wrong and are disgusting for existing and dont belong among the society.This includes harassment on the internet too because the people harassing ace people for being ace on the internet are real people too.

Genocide is the last stage of oppression for an identity and the fact that you think that bigotry against some identity has to reach the stage where the people of that identity are being killed for them to be “truly oppressed” then you are a despicable person and have no idea how resistance and social justice work.

Note : I copypasted most of the links  from this post so yall can check this out too